Tuesday, June 30, 2020

Klinger Store, Readlyn, Iowa

By Joann M. Ringelstetter

Five years ago, in June, we spent three days photographing on the backroads and in the small towns of a dozen counties in northeastern Iowa. On the morning of the third day, we took a few photos in the small town of Readlyn and then headed to an old general store. Klinger Store sits at a country crossroads about five minutes south of Readlyn. The main road past the front of the store was paved, but the road crossing it was gravel.

There was nothing fancy about the outside. In fact, the only things pointing to it being a store were the modern Pepsi machine on the porch of the store and a small hand-painted sign above the porch saying, “Klinger Store.” This store is truly an old-fashioned general store, sparsely stocked with necessities and a few non-essential things. One set of shelves held baking ingredients, charcoal, and paper towels. Across the aisle were light bulbs, batteries, and leather gloves. At the end of the aisle in the back of the store sat a small supply of paint, and some garden hoses. Hanging on the wall above the back door were replacement shovel handles.

In the middle of the store was a deli case with meat and cheese. On top of the deli case were cans of Pik-Nik shoestring potatoes and a basket of yellow onions. Beside the case was a scale and behind the case was a meat slicer and a rack with rolls of butcher paper. Above the deli case was a wooden sign that listed, on the left side, the meats and cheeses that were available:

Cold Meats:
Cooked Ham $4.25/lb
Jumbo S S KRMR All Beef $5.50/lb
(There was a sign below the board that said Kramer’s German Brand Beef Summer Sausage)

Mini Horn and Long Horn $4.75/lb
Hot Pepper $4.50/lb
Swiss-Amer $4.40/lb
Salami $4.50/lb
American $4.25/lb
C Jack $4.75/lb
Caraway $4.50/lb

On the right side of the board, it said “Misc Items” and three kinds of water softener salt were listed below. The prices seemed very reasonable to me.

As I walked the old wooden floor towards the back of the store, which was dedicated to hardware, there were boxes and bins of nuts and bolts, screws, electrical supplies, and other hardware items next to the canned goods and below the cleaning supplies. Beyond that were galvanized pails and funnels, heavy-duty electrical cords hanging from the ceiling, a stand of Redi-Bolt steel rods, and a red tie-down strap suspended from the shelf. Hanging on the back wall were putty knives, clamps, ropes, and chains. A 6-foot step-ladder leaned in front of the merchandise.

One wall of the store was filled with shelves that held blue jeans and bib overalls. On a nearby rack were three T-shirts, two plaid long-sleeved shirts, and a yellow raincoat.

There was also an area devoted to shoes, boots, and work gloves. Packages of Hanes underwear were around the corner.

Klinger Store is owned and operated by Arlin and Patricia Poock, who seemed quiet but friendly, and they were gracious enough to allow me to take some photos of their store. As I walked around the store, I chatted with the Poocks. Arlin told me that the building was built in 1888 and that his grandfather had originally purchased the store. According to obituaries posted on the Find A Grave website, his maternal grandfather, Jacob Herman, operated the store from 1909 until 1916, and in 1946, his father, Theodore Poock, purchased the store and ran it until his unexpected death in 1959. The following year, Arlin, who had worked for his father since graduating from high school in 1947, purchased the store and he and his wife have run it ever since. In the black and white photo below, Arlin and Patricia stand behind the deli case discussing the day’s business.

In 2010, the owner of Burmester’s Grocery in Loganville, Wisconsin had told me that he was trying to keep his store open, but suppliers didn’t want to deal with him because his store was too small. So I asked Arlin and Patricia if they struggled with the same issues. They told me it was a major struggle to get suppliers to work with them. Most suppliers wanted a huge minimum order every month or they weren’t willing to do business. And even the suppliers who were driving past on their way to larger stores weren’t willing to make a stop at Klinger Store.

This struggle to stock merchandise was evidenced by the sparse offerings at the store and by the number of refrigerated cases that were sitting empty. They also face the struggles of limited clientele. As I walked past one large refrigerated case, the contents made me stop and think about how much I take for granted every day. The dairy options consisted of one gallon of 2% milk and one half-gallon of chocolate milk, four packages of cream cheese, two packages of cheese slices, a couple pounds of real butter, two kinds of butter substitutes, and a box of Velveeta processed cheese. The produce options consisted of two heads of iceberg lettuce, one head of cabbage, three bags of carrots, and a few Red Delicious apples.

As far as I can tell, Arlin and Patricia are still in business and still managing to keep Klinger Store open. When you’re out and about in the small rural communities of our country and you pass an old general store, please stop in and support these hard-working folks. You might just come away with a newfound appreciation for what you have.

Happy Shunpiking!

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Thursday, June 11, 2020

Walls of Wittenberg

By Joann M. Ringelstetter

In April 2011, I started a new job and became friends with a coworker who told me she was from Wittenberg, Wisconsin. I didn’t know anything about Wittenberg or even where it was, but when she told me the town was filled with murals, I knew I had to pay a visit to the town. This mural, entitled "ALL ABOARD! ALL ABOARD!", was painted in 2008 by Artist Andy Goretski of Tomahawk, Wisconsin. Unfortunately (for me, anyway), the railroad tracks and depot have been gone for a long time, but this mural portrays what it was like in the days when the Chicago & Northwestern steam trains passed through Wittenberg.

In September 2011, Ruth and I took a 3-day trip, photographing in nine counties in central and north central Wisconsin. It was an overcast and often rainy trip, but the rain came and went, and I managed to get some really good photos. If it isn’t pouring for hours, I’m okay with occasionally photographing underneath an umbrella. On the third day, as we began driving south toward home, we headed into Wittenberg to see and photograph the murals. But just as we pulled into town, it started raining hard, so we decided to have lunch while we waited for the rain to move through. Since our picnic lunch was a washout, we stopped at the local A&W Restaurant.

As soon as there was a break in the rain, we headed to our first mural, which was located on the side of the True Value Hardware store. This one, entitled "The Nuts & Bolts of It", is another mural by Artist Andy Goretski, and it was completed in 2010. It depicts the local hardware store around 1910 when the pioneer days were waning and the industrial revolution was taking off. Hardware stores served the needs of towns and villages in the same way as general stores. It was a place to get tools, equipment, and other household items, but it was also a gathering place where folks caught up on the local news (and gossip). Unfortunately, the brief break in the rain was already over and I had to photograph this mural in the rain.

Next, I photographed a turn-of-the-century saloon scene on the 1896 Village Inn Tavern. Saloons were also gathering places where people could see friends, have a drink, shoot a game of pool, or play cards. This mural, entitled "Wittenberg Welcomes You", was painted in 2007 by Artist Reynaldo Hernandez of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

The rain had let up for a few seconds while I was standing in front of the saloon scene, but then some lightning streaked across the sky. Since it’s not a good idea to be standing with a metal tripod in a lightning storm, I jumped back into the car and we talked about what to do next. We decided to go and check out Nueske’s, internationally known for their applewood smoked meats. On the grounds of their company store is a vintage stone smokehouse.

We hung out in Nueske’s for a while and then I photographed the stone smokehouse in a light rain. Next to Nueske’s is the first schoolhouse of Wittenberg, a one-room schoolhouse built in 1882 and used as the village hall beginning around 1920 when a back room with a primitive jail cell was added. According to District No. 3 Antiques, which is now located in the schoolhouse, "The jail cell is still housed in the building today. The building was destined to be demolished, but instead was moved to its present location in 1992 and was extensively refurbished.” As it continued to rain and the skies continued to darken, we decided to head home and come back another time to photograph the murals.

It took another seven years before we returned to Wittenberg. In July 2018, we decided to head three hours north to visit the sunflower fields of Bergsbaken Farms. And, since Wittenberg is only about 45 minutes west of there, we could return to photograph the murals. We left home around 4:00 a.m. and photographed our way to the sunflower farm, arriving there in mid-afternoon.

The morning had been very sunny and then the afternoon was filled with filtered sunlight. After a couple hours at the farm, we headed to Wittenberg, arriving around 4:45 p.m. I set up my tripod to photograph "Help is on the Way", a Volunteer Firefighter & EMT Mural created in 2008 by Artist Alicia Rheal of Madison, Wisconsin. Before I could even take my first shot, a huge black cloud seemed to come out of nowhere and it rolled overhead. “Not again!” I said out loud, wishing we had come to town earlier in the day.

From there, we headed back to the saloon scene on the Village Inn because I couldn’t remember if I had gotten any good shots of this mural on the first trip. There, we met the nicest bartender who came out to see where we were from. We told her we had come to photograph the murals and then she told us that we should look carefully at each mural because there was something hidden in most of them. And then she pointed to a small circle on the barrels I was photographing. It might be hard to see it, but it looks almost like a knot hole in the middle of the front barrel.

She explained that each mural artist was asked to put a picture of the town’s founder, Reverend E. J. Homme, somewhere in the scene. That small circle contained his face. She told me to remember to look for his face in other murals. One of my favorite murals was just down the street from the tavern. It was a 4th of July fireworks mural on a former funeral home building, entitled, "Ka-Boom!!!". It was created in 2017 by Artist Carole Bersin of Sandstone, Minnesota, with flags by Andy Goretski.

After photographing the whole mural, I began to walk away and then realized that I had already forgotten to look for the reverend’s face. So, I turned around and saw what I hadn’t noticed before. Reverend Homme was watching the crowd of people who were watching the fireworks. Do you see his face in the window?

For the next hour, I worked quickly to photograph as many murals as I could in between rain showers (and a bit of lightning). We also went back to the hardware store mural (the third photo in this story) because I wanted to look at that extensive scene to see if I could find the reverend’s face. It took me a while, but I finally found him on the small shovel that hung on the back wall of the hardware store.

Reverend E.J. Homme founded Wittenberg (which now has a population of roughly 1,300) in 1879. He also established a home for the aged and an orphanage. According to the website for the Village of Wittenberg, “The Homme Home for the Aged and Homme Youth and Family Programs are still growing and thriving today in Wittenberg.” The Homme Home features a rare outdoor fresco on its north wall completed in 2006 by Artist Ram Rojas of Door County, Wisconsin. Part of this mural features the Reverend and Mrs. Homme.

Other parts of this outdoor fresco, entitled "Foundations of Faith", depict an angel more than two stories high on one panel and current and past churches of Wittenberg on another. There are hidden pictures of the birds and animals of the area throughout the fresco.

There were numerous other murals that we enjoyed as I worked to beat the storms. There was an elaborate multi-scene mural entitled, "A Tribute to Gus & Ann", completed in 2007 by Artist Ram Rojas. One of my favorite parts of it was this husky lounging on a stone bench.

There was a long, elaborate mural of a pastoral scene of the Wisconsin countryside surrounding Wittenberg. Here’s a small section of "Love Letter to Wittenberg", completed in 2018 by Artist Carole Bersin.

And it took us quite a while to find this one because it was on the back side of a warming house in the park. But it was worth the search because it reminds me so much of when we were kids and our small Catholic school of St. Joseph’s in East Bristol, Wisconsin, would flood the playground to make a skating pond for the kids. Note Reverend Homme’s face in the snow in the lower right corner of this mural entitled, "WHEEE!!!!", completed in 2012 by Artist Diane Haupt-Wilke of Gillett, Wisconsin.

As the sky turned darker and darker due to storm clouds looming overhead, we had one last mural we wanted to capture. It was a school mural called "Razed But Not Forgotten!!!", created in 2016 by Artists Brad and Kit Bandow of Elkhorn, Wisconsin. This mural was located on the side of the middle school, which was set back from the street we were on. As I got ready to grab my camera, the storm grew worse, so I ran with only my camera (no time for a tripod) and snapped one shot before returning to the safety of the car.

As soon as we hit the road, the storms grew fierce and the two-and-a-half-hour drive home turned into something more like 5 hours. It was raining and blowing so hard that I pulled off numerous times, but it never let up and we couldn’t seem to drive out of it. Needless to say, we were lucky to get home that night and I was absolutely exhausted from more than a full day of photography and then such a long, harrowing drive home. But at least we finally captured most of the “Walls of Wittenberg!” For a detailed list of all the Wittenberg murals and a downloadable tour map, visit the Walls of Wittenberg website.

Happy Shunpiking!

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Friday, May 15, 2020

Madonna of the Trail

By Joann M. Ringelstetter

In 1928 and 1929, identical monuments were installed in each of the 12 states crossed by the National Old Trails Road (Route 40), also known as the National Road, which started in Bethesda, Maryland, and extended to Upland, California. These statues were commissioned by the National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution to honor the courage, fortitude, and faith of the pioneer mothers on their journeys west.

The statues were created by sculptor August Leimbach and were made from a mixture of stone, marble, cement, lead ore, and a pinkish crushed granite from Missouri. With the large pedestal base, the monuments are 18 feet tall and weigh over 17 tons. The statues themselves are over 10 feet tall and they feature a pioneer mother holding a baby in one arm and a rifle in the other. A small boy stands at her side, clutching her skirt.

The front of each pedestal reads, “Madonna of the Trail, N.S.D.A.R. Memorial to the Pioneer Mothers of the Covered Wagon Days.” The back of each pedestal reads, “The National Old Trails Road.” The sides of the pedestals vary with inscriptions featuring national and regional history.

The National Road followed the route taken by the pioneers as they journeyed west in their covered wagons in search of a better life. The photo below is a small section of a large mural in Reynoldsburg, Ohio, created by artist Curtis Goldstein. It shows a covered wagon loaded with supplies and sitting next to a National Road mile marker.

Arlene B. Moss, chairwoman of the committee of the Daughters of the American Revolution, came up with the idea for these monuments. She said, “The statue is a fitting tribute to the brave pioneer mothers who aided so much in the progress of this country. These brave women backed their men folks through hardships, privations and during hard Indian battles. Without the pioneer women, there would have been no progress in this country.” The first statue was dedicated on July 4, 1928, in Springfield, Ohio.

At the dedication of this monument, Judge Harry S. Truman, President of the National Old Trails Road Association, and future president of the United States, spoke at the ceremony, saying, “They were just as brave or braver than their men because, in many cases, they went with sad hearts and trembling bodies. They went, however, and endured every hardship that befalls a pioneer.” One side of this monument has an inscription about local history. It says, "Three miles southwest of here General George Rogers Clark, commanding Kentucky frontiersmen, vanquished the Shawnee Confederacy, August 8, 1780, resulting in opening the Northwest Territory."

Three days later, on July 7, 1928, the second monument was dedicated in Wheeling, West Virginia. At the dedication, Arlene B. Moss said, "The monuments will serve as great national shrines. The beauty of these memorials will add to this country's natural scenic wonders and will remain as lasting memorials."

Frank Davis, Secretary of the National Old Trails Road Association, said, "While this is a memorial to the pioneer mothers, the project when completed in the 12 states, will also serve as a memorial to the present-day mother…”

On the side of this monument, it says, “To the Pioneer mothers of our mountain state, whose courage, optimism, love, and sacrifice made possible the National Highway that united the east and west.” The National Road, also called the Cumberland Road and the National Pike, had reached Wheeling, West Virginia by 1818. Today, the historic Wheeling Suspension Bridge, which opened in 1849, still carries the National Road across the Ohio River, where it continues to make its way westward.

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Sunday, April 26, 2020

Annie Oakley - American Legend

By Joann M. Ringelstetter

In the spring of 2017, we returned to Ohio for our fifth 10-day photography trip in that beautiful and historical state. One of the subjects Ruth had researched was the history of Annie Oakley, so she had several locations marked having to do with this world famous sharpshooter. We spent the first two days photographing our way across Illinois and Indiana. On the third day, we crossed into Ohio and were soon in the Willowdell area, Annie's birthplace.

Annie Oakley was born Phoebe Ann Moses (or Mosey) on August 13, 1860. Her family called her Annie. According to the Annie Oakley Center Foundation, there has always been confusion over the family name. In fact, the historical sign at her birthplace said “Moses” and the one at her gravesite said “Mosey.”

Annie’s father Jacob fought at a very young age in the War of 1812. In 1848, at the age of 49, he married Susan Wise, who was 16 years old. Jacob and Susan were Quakers who came from Pennsylvania to settle on a farm in rural Darke County, Ohio, near the Indiana border. By 1865, they had nine children (two of whom died as infants). The photo below shows a simple memorial that marks the location where Annie was born.

Jacob and Susan worked hard to feed and clothe their family. They raised corn and wheat, which Jacob hauled 20 miles with a horse-drawn wagon to Bear’s Mill to be ground. Sometime during the winter of 1865, Jacob made this trip to purchase supplies and to have his grain ground. During the trip, a snowstorm blew in and Jacob struggled to get home. He fell ill with pneumonia from the overexposure to freezing temperatures and died on February 11, 1866 at the age of 66. When I discovered this fact about Bear’s Mill, I realized that we had visited the mill on a short 3-day trip to Ohio in 2004 on our way to see the Christmas lights at Clifton Mill.

At the time of Jacob’s death, Annie’s mother Susan was left with seven children, aged one to 14. Annie was only five years old. Susan moved the family to a smaller home and everyone pitched in to support the family. And then another tragedy hit. A mere 14 months after Jacob died, their oldest child, Mary Jane, died of tuberculosis 11 days before her 16th birthday. Susan didn’t have the money to pay Mary Jane’s doctor and funeral expenses, so she sold their pet milk cow.

Annie helped feed her family by trapping birds and small animals. Around age seven, she began using the muzzle-loading gun that had belonged to her father and discovered she had a natural talent for shooting. In fact, Annie was so good at shooting game that she was able to contribute financially to her family by selling it to the Katzenberger Brothers’ Grocery Store in Greenville. They distributed it to restaurants and hotels in Cincinnati. By the age of 15, Annie had paid off the mortgage on her family’s home.

On Thanksgiving Day, 1875, 15-year-old Annie was invited to participate in a shooting contest with champion marksman Frank E. Butler, who was in a traveling show in Cincinnati. Butler, in his mid-twenties, was astonished when Annie beat him by making 25 shots out of her 25 attempts, while he missed one of his 25 attempts. Not only did Annie win the shooting match, but she captured Frank’s heart. On August 23, 1876, they were married. Annie had just turned 16, the same age her mother was when she married Annie’s father.

In May 1882, Annie and Frank began performing together and Annie chose the stage name “Annie Oakley.” No one is sure about the origin of this name, but Oakley was a neighborhood in Cincinnati where she and Frank lived. For three years, either Frank received top billing or he and Annie shared it. In April 1885, Annie and Frank began performing in Buffalo Bill’s Wild West show. Annie quickly became the star, with posters advertising her as “Champion Markswoman.” Frank was proud of his wife and gladly stepped back to manage her career and assist with her shooting tricks.

From 75 feet away, Annie could hit the thin edge of a playing card. She could also shoot off the end of a cigarette that Frank held between his lips and hit distant targets by looking at them in a mirror. From 90 feet, she could shoot the cork out of a bottle or put out a candle flame. If Frank tossed playing cards into the air, Annie could shoot holes in them before they hit the ground. At only five feet tall, and because of her talent and confidence, Annie earned the name “Little Sure Shot,” which was given to her by Sitting Bull, the Sioux (Lakota) leader.

Annie and Frank performed in Buffalo Bill’s Wild West show for 16 seasons. They left the show in 1901 after a serious train accident injured Annie’s back. The couple continued to perform on a less demanding schedule, retiring from show business in 1913. In retirement, Annie spent her time giving shooting lessons to women, performing at charity events, and hunting (which she had enjoyed since she was a small child). On November 3, 1926, Annie died of pernicious anemia at the age of 66 (the same age at which her father had died).

At the time of Annie’s death, she and Frank had been happily married for fifty years. Frank was heartbroken and just stopped eating. He died 18 days after Annie on November 21, 1926. They are both buried in the Moses family plot in beautiful Brock Cemetery, about 8 miles from where Annie was born.

At Annie Oakley Park in Greenville, Ohio, the following quote is attributed to Annie Oakley, a Legend in Her Own Time - "Aim at a high mark and you'll hit it. No, not the first time, nor the second time and maybe not the third, but keep on aiming and keep on shooting for only practice will make you perfect. Finally you'll hit the bull's eye of success."

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Thursday, March 26, 2020

Elisha Edgerton Farm

By Joann M. Ringelstetter

Back in October 1997, Ruth and I spent some time photographing in Jefferson and Waukesha Counties in southeastern Wisconsin. Near the town of Dousman, I photographed a set of small limestone buildings. This was early in our backroads adventures when we were still photographing mostly barns, but these buildings were too interesting (and fancy) to pass up.

Due to the high cost of film and processing at that time, most subjects were recorded with only one or two images. And all the images captured over 20 years of film photography must be digitally scanned to make use of them. The image below is one of the few images I captured that day of these unusual limestone buildings. It was also early in the availability of internet resources, so we didn’t know much about them.

Fourteen years later, in October 2011, we again did some photography in Jefferson and Waukesha Counties and decided to go back to Dousman. As we left Dane County and crossed into Jefferson County, we stopped to photograph a wonderful old gambrel-roof barn with a field-stone foundation.

Because buildings that are left to the elements of the weather and the way that nature tends to overtake rural buildings, we didn’t know if the limestone buildings would still be standing when we got there. To our surprise and delight, all three buildings were still intact, and the lawn was still being mowed around them. Also, some of the shrubs had been removed or trimmed back. And now, with all the resources of the internet, we have a bit of history on these wonderful buildings.

In the autumn of 1836, thirteen years before Wisconsin became a state and 175 years prior to this visit, New England pioneers, Elisha and Belinda Edgerton traveled a narrow dirt trail in an ox-drawn wagon to the Dousman area. Locals called this area "Bullfrog Station" because of the surrounding bogs and marshes. Elisha cleared the land, which included a natural spring, and built a log cabin and several farm buildings. Some of these buildings, including the three we photographed, were built from locally quarried limestone.

The largest and loveliest of these three remaining buildings was a Gothic Revival carriage house, built by Elisha in 1856 to house his horse-drawn carriages and wagons. But his wife, Belinda, had a hand in making it a most unusual carriage house because she persuaded Elisha to turn the upper floor into an Episcopal chapel. In this little chapel, which Belinda named St. Maria’s, students and faculty from the Nashotah mission, an Episcopal, Anglo-Catholic seminary located an eight-mile walk from the chapel, conducted Episcopal services for the early settlers. And it was there that the congregation of the current St. Mary’s Episcopal Church of Dousman originated.

According to a publication entitled “Transactions of the Wisconsin State Agricultural Society” for the year 1860, the building next to the carriage house was a dairy building of some kind. A 1930 survey identified this building as a storage barn.

The third building was identified as a smokehouse in the 1860 publication and as a smokehouse and toilet on the 1930 survey. There had also been a fourth and larger limestone building that was identified as a granary in the 1860 publication. And, according to the Architecture and History Inventory of the Wisconsin Historical Society, up until the late 1970s, these four limestone buildings had been connected by a shed roof arcade.

In 1860, the State Agricultural Society recognized the Edgerton farm as a Wisconsin Premium Farm. They described the farm as 820 acres of excellent land. And they said, “In the management of this farm, and in all its appointments, we see the practical, the skillful, and the systematic farmer. Mr. E. does everything upon a perfect system, keeping an account of every action, and its result. He is now, while in the prime of life, reaping the full benefits of having devoted his early years to the thorough cultivation of his own soil, and of his own mind. May he long live, and may his example and success stimulate the young men of the State to go forth, take up the rich, uncultivated lands, and do likewise.”

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